<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: The Death of the Bridge</title> <atom:link href="http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge</link> <description>&#34;Set it and forget it&#34; music promotion</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 03:30:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Tina Wu</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-1727</link> <dc:creator>Tina Wu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-1727</guid> <description>so true. But actually I prefer songs that are growers. I am a huge radiohead fan, but when I listen to Kid A for the first time, it&#039;s very hard to love immediately, but just after 2 or 3 listens then I can totally relate to them. As human being, I think we want something new, but we also need familiar things to immediate respond to it. You need both element to it, you need something people can relate to immediately (grabber), whether it is a nice familiar melody or rhythm or form. And something novel (grower),  something different about your song that set apart from typical pop song, so people will want to listen to it again until they fully comprehend it, and they will say it&#039;s brilliant :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so true. But actually I prefer songs that are growers. I am a huge radiohead fan, but when I listen to Kid A for the first time, it&#8217;s very hard to love immediately, but just after 2 or 3 listens then I can totally relate to them. As human being, I think we want something new, but we also need familiar things to immediate respond to it. You need both element to it, you need something people can relate to immediately (grabber), whether it is a nice familiar melody or rhythm or form. And something novel (grower),  something different about your song that set apart from typical pop song, so people will want to listen to it again until they fully comprehend it, and they will say it&#8217;s brilliant <img src='http://passivepromotion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Hazard</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-1623</link> <dc:creator>Brian Hazard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-1623</guid> <description>Great to hear from you Jack! It sounds like you&#039;re describing AABA form, where the emphasis is on the refrain at the end of each verse (A section). A classic example is  &quot;Don&#039;t It Make My Brown Eyes Blue&quot; by Crystal Gayle. I&#039;ve tried it every now and again, for example in my song &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://music.colortheory.com/track/covering-up-your-tracks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Covering Up Your Tracks&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear from you Jack! It sounds like you&#8217;re describing AABA form, where the emphasis is on the refrain at the end of each verse (A section). A classic example is  &#8220;Don&#8217;t It Make My Brown Eyes Blue&#8221; by Crystal Gayle. I&#8217;ve tried it every now and again, for example in my song &#8220;<a href="http://music.colortheory.com/track/covering-up-your-tracks" rel="nofollow">Covering Up Your Tracks</a>.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jack Olchawski</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-1620</link> <dc:creator>Jack Olchawski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-1620</guid> <description>Fantastic post, I love looking into great songs and solving just what it is that has made the song work as a whole. I recently fell in love with the songwriting process and enjoy digging out little refrains and hooks.Another form of songwriting that is not as uncommon as it may sound is the of the No Chorus. I know it sounds unlikely but many songs do take this formula.A fantastic example is Death Cab For Cutie&#039;s &#039;No Sunlight&#039;; the song has a catchy verse which always leads to a repeated refrain which is far too brief or lightweight to be thought of as a chorus, rather just an extenstion of the verse.The song continues into a middle8 section which after returning to instrumental verse passage, is repeated before finally ending on the verse extension I mentioned earlier. This form of structure allows for wonderful layering, as so much of it built around the same chords. It is very popular with bands such as DCFC who are not necessarily making pop music but are keen on strong songwriting.Just something I found interesting that I thought I&#039;d share.Great article!Jack</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, I love looking into great songs and solving just what it is that has made the song work as a whole. I recently fell in love with the songwriting process and enjoy digging out little refrains and hooks.</p><p>Another form of songwriting that is not as uncommon as it may sound is the of the No Chorus. I know it sounds unlikely but many songs do take this formula.</p><p>A fantastic example is Death Cab For Cutie&#8217;s &#8216;No Sunlight&#8217;; the song has a catchy verse which always leads to a repeated refrain which is far too brief or lightweight to be thought of as a chorus, rather just an extenstion of the verse.</p><p>The song continues into a middle8 section which after returning to instrumental verse passage, is repeated before finally ending on the verse extension I mentioned earlier. This form of structure allows for wonderful layering, as so much of it built around the same chords. It is very popular with bands such as DCFC who are not necessarily making pop music but are keen on strong songwriting.</p><p>Just something I found interesting that I thought I&#8217;d share.</p><p>Great article!</p><p>Jack</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lance Vaughn</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-706</link> <dc:creator>Lance Vaughn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:41:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-706</guid> <description>I love bridge.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love bridge.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Curt Siffert</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-703</link> <dc:creator>Curt Siffert</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-703</guid> <description>One guy who has surprisingly interesting song structures is Billy Joel.  I haven&#039;t tried to nail it down for a while, but a couple of his songs had song structures that were completely unfamiliar to me.  I guess Scenes From An Italian Restaurant would be the obvious example, but I think I remember being stuck on how to chart Innocent Man and My Life.  I&#039;ll have to write a post about him soon.Songs with recurring bridges tend to confuse me - didn&#039;t Genesis&#039; That&#039;s All have three distinct sections that all occurred multiple times?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One guy who has surprisingly interesting song structures is Billy Joel.  I haven&#8217;t tried to nail it down for a while, but a couple of his songs had song structures that were completely unfamiliar to me.  I guess Scenes From An Italian Restaurant would be the obvious example, but I think I remember being stuck on how to chart Innocent Man and My Life.  I&#8217;ll have to write a post about him soon.</p><p>Songs with recurring bridges tend to confuse me &#8211; didn&#8217;t Genesis&#8217; That&#8217;s All have three distinct sections that all occurred multiple times?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Hazard</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-662</link> <dc:creator>Brian Hazard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-662</guid> <description>Just for kicks, I analyzed the chord progressions of three Hall &amp; Oates classics, and only one had a bridge. For what it&#039;s worth (not much).http://colortheory.com/hall-oates</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for kicks, I analyzed the chord progressions of three Hall &#038; Oates classics, and only one had a bridge. For what it&#8217;s worth (not much).</p><p><a href="http://colortheory.com/hall-oates" rel="nofollow">http://colortheory.com/hall-oates</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Hazard</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-638</link> <dc:creator>Brian Hazard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-638</guid> <description>Good to hear from you Britt!The bridge as I discuss it here has a different chord progression and lyrics than the rest of the song. The instrumental break over the verse or chorus progression is one of the substitutions I suggest for a bridge.Off the top of my head, I can&#039;t think of any of your songs that have bridges. Maybe the &quot;then I lost the baby&quot; section of Sing It Away. You tend to use a whole bunch of verses to facilitate all the exposition in your songs, which usually tell a story.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear from you Britt!</p><p>The bridge as I discuss it here has a different chord progression and lyrics than the rest of the song. The instrumental break over the verse or chorus progression is one of the substitutions I suggest for a bridge.</p><p>Off the top of my head, I can&#8217;t think of any of your songs that have bridges. Maybe the &#8220;then I lost the baby&#8221; section of Sing It Away. You tend to use a whole bunch of verses to facilitate all the exposition in your songs, which usually tell a story.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 907Britt</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-637</link> <dc:creator>907Britt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:46:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-637</guid> <description>Brian, I love this discussion. It&#039;s been germinating in my head for, what, a whole week now? I am blessed to get to work with some talented musicians here on San Juan Island and their solos liven up my bridges/breaks to the point where I even lengthen them or add new ones when we play live, but it&#039;s tough to get a recorded performance of a break that will keep attention.Would you call your piano solo in Continental Divide a bridge or an instrumental break? I am confused about the difference and I think I&#039;ve been misusing the word sometimes. Wikipedia is little help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_%28music%29 I used to think a bridge had to have words, but I suppose it doesn&#039;t. My older songs almost always had lyrical bridges, but I haven&#039;t written one in a while.Is it a bridge when the chord sequence is different than the chorus and just an instrumental break when you use the same progression as the chorus? If so, then 90% of my songs don&#039;t have a bridge, but I am a big fan of instrumental breaks over the chorus progression (and sometimes singing only a line or two of the chorus). Just to respond to this post, I think I&#039;ll try writing something that is nothing but a bridge. Just kidding, that would be silly. But thanks for getting us all thinking and talking.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I love this discussion. It&#8217;s been germinating in my head for, what, a whole week now? I am blessed to get to work with some talented musicians here on San Juan Island and their solos liven up my bridges/breaks to the point where I even lengthen them or add new ones when we play live, but it&#8217;s tough to get a recorded performance of a break that will keep attention.</p><p>Would you call your piano solo in Continental Divide a bridge or an instrumental break? I am confused about the difference and I think I&#8217;ve been misusing the word sometimes. Wikipedia is little help. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_%28music%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_%28music%29</a><br /> I used to think a bridge had to have words, but I suppose it doesn&#8217;t. My older songs almost always had lyrical bridges, but I haven&#8217;t written one in a while.</p><p>Is it a bridge when the chord sequence is different than the chorus and just an instrumental break when you use the same progression as the chorus? If so, then 90% of my songs don&#8217;t have a bridge, but I am a big fan of instrumental breaks over the chorus progression (and sometimes singing only a line or two of the chorus). Just to respond to this post, I think I&#8217;ll try writing something that is nothing but a bridge. Just kidding, that would be silly. But thanks for getting us all thinking and talking.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Hazard</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-635</link> <dc:creator>Brian Hazard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-635</guid> <description>I think we&#039;re pretty much on the same page Philip! We&#039;re not going to resolve the art vs commercialism debate anytime soon, but perhaps we&#039;re closer on the spectrum than we originally thought. I agree that &quot;I&#039;m going to write a hit&quot; doesn&#039;t work, because the focus is outward rather than inward. Still, songwriting isn&#039;t exactly divine inspiration. To the degree that craft is involved, I think it can be helpful to consider how a listener would experience the song for the first time.I want to be clear that I&#039;m not preaching one particular formula. A good chunk of the article is devoted to ways to deviate from the standard pop form. I&#039;m just advocating the use of clear structures so that the message of the song doesn&#039;t get lost in a convoluted arrangement.&quot;Ditch the bridge until you&#039;ve written your first hundred songs&quot; is probably good advice. I understand why the focus on fan quantity rubs you the wrong way, but after all, it is a promotion blog. :)Thanks for your kind words on my music!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re pretty much on the same page Philip! We&#8217;re not going to resolve the art vs commercialism debate anytime soon, but perhaps we&#8217;re closer on the spectrum than we originally thought. I agree that &#8220;I&#8217;m going to write a hit&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work, because the focus is outward rather than inward. Still, songwriting isn&#8217;t exactly divine inspiration. To the degree that craft is involved, I think it can be helpful to consider how a listener would experience the song for the first time.</p><p>I want to be clear that I&#8217;m not preaching one particular formula. A good chunk of the article is devoted to ways to deviate from the standard pop form. I&#8217;m just advocating the use of clear structures so that the message of the song doesn&#8217;t get lost in a convoluted arrangement.</p><p>&#8220;Ditch the bridge until you&#8217;ve written your first hundred songs&#8221; is probably good advice. I understand why the focus on fan quantity rubs you the wrong way, but after all, it is a promotion blog. <img src='http://passivepromotion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Thanks for your kind words on my music!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Clark</title><link>http://passivepromotion.com/the-death-of-the-bridge#comment-634</link> <dc:creator>Philip Clark</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://passivepromotion.com/?p=3290#comment-634</guid> <description>Thanks for responding, Brian. And I don&#039;t mean to dis you or seem like I&#039;m picking a fight. I&#039;m all for taking the end-user/consumer into consideration. I care about and wish to make my audience and fanbase happy as well. And yeah, blah blah blah, I&#039;ve gotten awards and won contests, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. My music plays  all over the world and I get royalties and sell CDs and......none of that stuff influences my songwriting. I&#039;m more concerned with fueling my muse than catering to the masses. I&#039;m just lucky (or at least that&#039;s what I want  you to think) that by doing so I remain accessible. And I agree with you that making a song too complex can lose you certain listeners. I just know that, for me personally, as soon as I actively say to myself &quot;Self, I&#039;m going to write a hit&quot; it always ends up a contrived, pale shadow of what it&#039;s intended to be.(...which makes it great for commercial radio at this point.)I&#039;m listening to Color Theory, and I&#039;m really enjoying it. I can see that you&#039;ve got a viewpoint and a signature sound. And yes, I hear that a lot of your structure is simple. But if I were to hear your music first and then read this article, I&#039;d be surprised. It doesn&#039;t sound like you&#039;d be preaching the benefits of following formula as much as you are.I think ultimately we come from the same place as songwriters. You have originality and variety in your work. There is a danger when you post something like this as advice to songwriters and use sensational language like &quot;the bridge is dead&quot; that your sleeping with the enemy (read: corporate radio) and not really advocating being a true artist and visionary.This article is good for people that are having trouble with form. I think if you&#039;d said &quot;until you&#039;ve written XX number of songs&quot; as opposed to &quot;until you’ve got a substantial following,&quot; I&#039;d have a lot less issue with this article. My issue was with you equating fan quantity to risk-taking.It&#039;s funny that you site &quot;Creep&quot; as a grabber and not a grower. As much as that song seems simple, there is a build and a departure from form. I don&#039;t think the simplicity of &quot;Creep&quot; put Radiohead on the map, I think it was that it stood out somehow from everything else that was coming out at the time.Anyway, formula is bad. Originality is good. Play on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding, Brian. And I don&#8217;t mean to dis you or seem like I&#8217;m picking a fight. I&#8217;m all for taking the end-user/consumer into consideration. I care about and wish to make my audience and fanbase happy as well. And yeah, blah blah blah, I&#8217;ve gotten awards and won contests, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. My music plays  all over the world and I get royalties and sell CDs and&#8230;</p><p>&#8230;none of that stuff influences my songwriting. I&#8217;m more concerned with fueling my muse than catering to the masses. I&#8217;m just lucky (or at least that&#8217;s what I want  you to think) that by doing so I remain accessible. And I agree with you that making a song too complex can lose you certain listeners. I just know that, for me personally, as soon as I actively say to myself &#8220;Self, I&#8217;m going to write a hit&#8221; it always ends up a contrived, pale shadow of what it&#8217;s intended to be.</p><p>(&#8230;which makes it great for commercial radio at this point.)</p><p>I&#8217;m listening to Color Theory, and I&#8217;m really enjoying it. I can see that you&#8217;ve got a viewpoint and a signature sound. And yes, I hear that a lot of your structure is simple. But if I were to hear your music first and then read this article, I&#8217;d be surprised. It doesn&#8217;t sound like you&#8217;d be preaching the benefits of following formula as much as you are.</p><p>I think ultimately we come from the same place as songwriters. You have originality and variety in your work. There is a danger when you post something like this as advice to songwriters and use sensational language like &#8220;the bridge is dead&#8221; that your sleeping with the enemy (read: corporate radio) and not really advocating being a true artist and visionary.</p><p>This article is good for people that are having trouble with form. I think if you&#8217;d said &#8220;until you&#8217;ve written XX number of songs&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;until you’ve got a substantial following,&#8221; I&#8217;d have a lot less issue with this article. My issue was with you equating fan quantity to risk-taking.</p><p>It&#8217;s funny that you site &#8220;Creep&#8221; as a grabber and not a grower. As much as that song seems simple, there is a build and a departure from form. I don&#8217;t think the simplicity of &#8220;Creep&#8221; put Radiohead on the map, I think it was that it stood out somehow from everything else that was coming out at the time.</p><p>Anyway, formula is bad. Originality is good. Play on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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